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Hogg/Hogue Group 2

(R1b-S1021)
Michael Cooley



Big Y Haplo Table


The following table is simply a bare summary of the results and can be copied and pasted into a spreadsheet. This is helpful for keeping track of larger projects. With the exception of those indicated by an asterisk, the novel SNPs (novel variants) can be tested at YSEQ.net for $18 each and a one-time kit fee of $6 for the first order.


 24 April 2024
KITTREEMRCATESTNOVEL VARIANTS
#111005S1021>FT125595>FT127529>BY33517William Hoge Jr (1701-1789)Y-500--
#B181084S1021>FT125595>FT127529>BY33517William Hoge Jr (1701-1789)Y-700BY109643 FT125831 FT125832 FT126244 FT126362 BY67481
#251054S1021>FT125595>FT127529>FTB9687Archibald Carr (1807-1865)Y-700FTB10731 FTB11321 FTB11998 FTB16193
#246530S1021>FT125595>FTC1772Thomas VanDecar (1770-1843)Y-700--

      * SNP cannot undergo Sanger testing




Big Y SNP Tree


A SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) occurs when there's a genetic change at a single position, for example an A mutated to a C. Each marker listed in the tree below is a SNP, and each one was manifested at the birth of a single man. This doesn't happen every generation but, if we had enough data, they'd all line up one after the other in a timeline. In other words, each of these markers is a direct representative of a specific man born at a specific time and place. For that reason, I like to say that "SNPs are people too." It's not literally true, of course, but conjures an image that is reasonably apropos.

Micro-Lesson: What is a SNP?
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Every marker above is a direct genetic representation of the first man born with that marker. However, each marker could represent three or four more men not born with a new, unique marker.

Count the number of markers upstream of any one kit. Then multiply that by four generations. I'll leave it to you detemine how many years makes a generation. This can be done for all kits descended from any one haplogroup. Average the grand total to get an average timeline for the haplogroup. The word "average" is, however, the key. The more participants, the more that number will change.



Quick Tree


This is a simplified, barebones, stripped-down SNP Tree (as above). It's called a Quick Tree merely because it can be created once new results are downloaded. It has the advantage of allowing a tested group member to easily trace their SNP lineage.


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Timeline Report for Haplogroup S1021

FT125595
FT127529
BY33517
BY138468
BY33518
BY33519
BY33520
--
FT125595
FT127529
BY33517
BY138468
BY33518
BY33519
BY33520
BY109643
FT125831
FT125832
FT126244
FT126362
BY67481
FT125595
FT127529
FTB9687
FTB16576
FTB10731
FTB11321
FTB11998
FTB16193
FT125595
FTC1772
FGC8254
FTC11839
FTC11840
FTC11859
FTC4895
FTC5000
FTC5003
--
#111005
#B181084
#251054
#246530
8
13
8
10

Total SNPs: 39
Number Kits: 4
Avg SNPS per: 9.75
TMRCA: 975 CE to 1131 CE
Median: 1053 CE



Y-111 Genetic Distance to Modal


STRs (Short Tandem Repeats) are the markers found on the results page of every FTDNA project. They're completely different from SNPs. For example, the number in the first column for the following markers, labeled DYS393, is merely the count of the number of times the sequence AGAT is repeated in the tester's cells. More about the markers can be found on the Wikipedia page for List of Y-STR markers.

The top line in this graphic, in gray, is the modal value. It represents the most common value found among each tester. The total number of mismatches any one tester has to the modal is noted in blue parenthesis next to the tester's kit number. This number is referred to as the genetic distance or GD. For example, a tester might be a GD of 1 from the modal's CDYb marker but with a total GD of 5 from the modal as a whole.


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Y-111 GD Kit to Kit

Here we compare the genetic distance between each tester rather than to the modal. This gives us a better idea as to how closely the testers are related to one another as opposed each to the modal, or mutual ancestor. The results tend to clump together by haplogroup. However, due to the volatile nature of STRs, the clumping is often inconsistent, as shown by the same graphics in the somewhat larger YP4248 Subclade Project. For this reason, STRs are unreliable for phylogeny. Nevertheless, the study can help direct us toward those kits that could provide the greatest impact on the project for Big Y upgrades.

The color version results from replacing the numeric values with color values. This doesn't tell us much for small groups but can be informative for groups of ten and more.


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Color Version


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