R1b-A5388 Y-DNA Project

(R1b-A5388)
Michael Cooley

R1b-A5388 is a subclade in the Cenél nEógain Y-DNA Project. Per the Wikipedia article, Branches of the Cenél nEógain , "Cenél nEógain or Kinel-Owen ('Kindred of Owen') are a branch of the Northern Uí Néill, who claim descent from Eógan mac Néill, son of Niall of the Nine Hostages." Jim Wilson and I are co-administrators of the Cenél nEógain Y-DNA Project and are tasked to manage and report on the A5388 group. Questions may be addressed to either or both of us.

Genealogy - Genetic Hybrid Tree

Big Y Haplo Table

The following table is simply a bare summary of the results and can be copied and pasted into a spreadsheet. This is helpful for keeping track of larger projects. With the exception of those indicated by an asterisk, the novel SNPs (novel variants) can be tested at YSEQ.net for $18 each and a one-time kit fee of $6 for the first order.

 24 August 2026

KIT	TREE	MRCA	TEST	NOVEL VARIANTS
#B177041	A5388>A5386>FT213315>BY104953	John Turner (1803-1878)	Y-700	FT303680
#1004866	A5388>A5386>FT213315>FGC57178	Charles Mark Parten (1815-)	Y-700	FTC7489 MF258591 FTE93508 FTE93625 FTE93761 FTE93810 FTE93848 FTE93917
#N119097	A5388>A5386>FT213315>FGC57178>BY65624	Andrew Hayslett (-1805)	Y-700	FT211621
#B116020	A5388>A5386>FT213315>FGC57178>BY65624	Samuel William Moore (1850-1905)	Y-700	--
#N8220	A5388>A5386>FT213315>FGC57178>BY65624	William Hazlet (c1740-)	Y-700	BY109328 BY110339 BY116213
#IN93193	A5388>A5386>FT52304	James Seaton (1796-1853)	Y-700	FTC96552 19358211=CT FTC97264 FTC96066 FTD2105 FTD2285 FTD2651
#214886	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883	Robert O'Neill	Y-700	BY18229
#400441	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883>BY91591	Andrew Neal (1787-1866)	Y-700	BY18202 Y51373 Y51336
#908382	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883>BY91591	Elijah Johnson (1811-1889)	Y-700	FTC70414 FTC70415 FTC70416
#921210	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883>BY91591	Hugh Neel (c1750-)	Y-700	FT230808 FT230259 FT230211 FT230837
#IN88911	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536	Charles Wilson (1785+)	Y-111	FTC82425 FTC82483 FTC82629 FTC82344
#524028	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536	Unknown 1	Y-700	FTE67959 FTE70278 FTE67158
#42029	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491	James Wilson (c1774-c1860)	Y-700	BY104783 FT157958 FT158246
#70755	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491	James Wilson Sr (1740-1789)	Y-700	BY140790 BY18206 BY18211
#307767	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491	James Wilson Sr (1740-1789)	Y-700	FTD15506 FTD16423 FTD16632 FTD19525
#792392	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491	James Wilson Sr (1740-1789)	Y-700	FTD19311 FTD12698
#1013776	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491	Lawson Harvey Wilson (c1825-c1900)	Y-700	FTF73220 FTF71351
#1042248	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491>Z19785	James Wilson (-1789)	Y-700	FTJ97447 FTJ98191
#744248	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491>Z19785	James Wilson Jr (c1774-1841)	Y-700	--
#78346	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491>Z19785	James Wilson Jr (c1774-1841)	Y-700	--
#913051	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491>Z19785	James Wilson Jr (c1774-1841)	Y-700	FTB37804
#993066	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491>Z19785	James Wilson Jr (c1774-1841)	Y-700	FTD84680
#1021753	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY78757>FTD9616	Jacob Watson (1778-1850)	Y-700	FTG87768 FTG89698
#937024	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY78757>FTD9616>FTD11283	Unknown	Y-700	FTB78283 FTD11011 FTD11283 FTD9270
#MI53913	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248	Herbert Gray (1889-1965)	Y-700	FT237429 FT238044 FT238049 FT238050 FT235430 FT236262
#982867	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248	James Gilmour (1764-1841)	Y-700	FTH854
#119091	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248	Joseph Albert Gillmore	Y-700	FTH63596 FTH63984 FTH63491
#197468	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248	William J Gillmore (1825-1891)	Y-700	FTF72489 FTF73706 FTF74416 26626787=GA
#N117876	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166	C Gilmer (1970-)	Y-700	BY101136
#896154	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166	John Gilmore (1690-1749)	Y-700	--
#135038	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166	John Gilmour (c1755-1846)	Y-700	FTH17419 FTH17744 MF702584
#IN108750	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166>FT52889>FTB76260	John Stuart Gilmour (c1885-c1917)	Y-700	--
#MI15094	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166>FT52889>FTB76260	John Stuart Gilmour (c1885-c1917)	Y-700	FTB78880
#275331	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166>FTB29150	William Gilmore (1785-1861)	Y-700	FTB29150 FTB31347 FT388169
#232911	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>FT393632>FT170672	Walter Scott (1495-1552)	Y-700	FT170037 MF5317 FT170672
#191634	A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>FT393632>FTE89027	Alexander Stinson (1702-1789)	Y-700	FTF4307
#482950	A5388>FTC27704	David William Williams (1856-)	Y-700	FTE54714 FTE54723 FTE54913 FTE55214 FTE55681 FTE54311 MF657258
#975153	A5388>FTC27704	Unknown 3	Y-700	M6943 FTC29438 FTC30182 FTC31541 FTC35459 FTC26787 FTC35767

      * SNP cannot undergo Sanger testing

Big Y SNP Tree

A SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) occurs when there's a genetic change at a single position, for example an A mutated to a C. Each marker listed in the tree below is a SNP, and each one was manifested at the birth of a single man. This doesn't happen every generation but, if we had enough data, they'd all line up one after the other in a timeline. In other words, each of these markers is a direct representative of a specific man born at a specific time and place. For that reason, I like to say that "SNPs are people too." It's not literally true, of course, but conjures an image that is reasonably apropos.

Micro-Lesson: What is a SNP?

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Every marker above is a direct genetic representation of the first man born with that marker. However, each marker could represent three or four more men not born with a new, unique marker.

Count the number of markers upstream of any one kit. Then multiply that by four generations. I'll leave it to you detemine how many years makes a generation. This can be done for all kits descended from any one haplogroup. Average the grand total to get an average timeline for the haplogroup. The word "average" is, however, the key. The more participants, the more that number will change.

Quick Tree

This is a simplified, barebones, stripped-down SNP Tree (as above). It's called a Quick Tree merely because it can be created once new results are downloaded. It has the advantage of allowing a tested group member to easily trace their SNP lineage.

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Timeline Report for Haplogroup A5388

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT213315 BY104953 BY134836 FT303680

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT213315 FGC57178 FTC7489 MF258591 FTE93508 FTE93625 FTE93761 FTE93810 FTE93848 FTE93917

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT213315 FGC57178 BY133978 BY65624 FT211621

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT213315 FGC57178 BY133978 BY65624 --

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT213315 FGC57178 BY133978 BY65624 BY109328 BY110339 BY116213

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 FTC96552 19358211=CT FTC97264 FTC96066 FTD2105 FTD2285 FTD2651

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 A9883 BY18229

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 A9883 BY91591 FT230259 FTC70179 Y60045 BY18202 Y51373 Y51336

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 A9883 BY91591 FT230259 FTC70179 Y60045 FTC70414 FTC70415 FTC70416

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 A9883 BY91591 FT230259 FTC70179 Y60045 FT230808 FT230259 FT230211 FT230837

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 FTC82425 FTC82483 FTC82629 FTC82344

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 FTE67959 FTE70278 FTE67158

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 BY104783 FT157958 FT158246

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 BY140790 BY18206 BY18211

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 FTD15506 FTD16423 FTD16632 FTD19525

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 FTD19311 FTD12698

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 FTF73220 FTF71351

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 Z19785 FTJ97447 FTJ98191

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 Z19785 --

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 Z19785 --

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 Z19785 FTB37804

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY18219 BY20536 BY43658 FT165129 FT165130 FT89403 BY42627 BY96491 Z19785 FTD84680

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY123092 BY78757 FTD9616 FTG87768 FTG89698

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 BY123092 BY78757 FTD9616 FTD11283 FTB78283 FTD11011 FTD11283 FTD9270

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 FT237429 FT238044 FT238049 FT238050 FT235430 FT236262

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 FTH854

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 FTH63596 FTH63984 FTH63491

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 FTF72489 FTF73706 FTF74416 26626787=GA

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 BY124944 BY146581 BY57166 FT303165 FTB88200 BY101136

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 BY124944 BY146581 BY57166 FT303165 FTB88200 --

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 BY124944 BY146581 BY57166 FT303165 FTB88200 FTH17419 FTH17744 MF702584

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 BY124944 BY146581 BY57166 FT303165 FTB88200 FT283968 FT52368 FT52889 FT52993 FT54911 FTB76260 --

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 BY124944 BY146581 BY57166 FT303165 FTB88200 FT283968 FT52368 FT52889 FT52993 FT54911 FTB76260 FTB78880

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 BY124944 BY146581 BY57166 FT303165 FTB88200 FTB29150 FTB29150 FTB31347 FT388169

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 FT393632 FT170672 FT170037 MF5317 FT170672

A5386 A5389 A5390 FT53375 FT53563 FT91554 FTB28678 FTB28823 Y30883 FT52304 FT52594 A5387 FT53248 FT393632 FTE89027 FTE90734 FTE90819 FTE91596 FTF1326 FTF1485 FTF4307

FTC27704 FTC28488 FTC30667 FTE54714 FTE54723 FTE54913 FTE55214 FTE55681 FTE54311 MF657258

FTC27704 FTC28488 FTC30667 M6943 FTC29438 FTC30182 FTC31541 FTC35459 FTC26787 FTC35767

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Total SNPs: 730 Number Kits: 38 Avg SNPS per: 19.2105263157895 TMRCA: 28 CE to 336 CE Median: 182 CE

Y-111 Genetic Distance to Modal

STRs (Short Tandem Repeats) are the markers found on the results page of every FTDNA project. They're completely different from SNPs. For example, the number in the first column for the following markers, labeled DYS393, is merely the count of the number of times the sequence AGAT is repeated in the tester's cells. More about the markers can be found on the Wikipedia page for List of Y-STR markers.

The top line in this graphic, in gray, is the modal value. It represents the most common value found among each tester. The total number of mismatches any one tester has to the modal is noted in blue parenthesis next to the tester's kit number. This number is referred to as the genetic distance or GD. For example, a tester might be a GD of 1 from the modal's CDYb marker but with a total GD of 5 from the modal as a whole.

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Y-111 GD Kit to Kit

Here we compare the genetic distance between each tester rather than to the modal. This gives us a better idea as to how closely the testers are related to one another as opposed each to the modal, or mutual ancestor. The results tend to clump together by haplogroup. However, due to the volatile nature of STRs, the clumping is often inconsistent, as shown by the same graphics in the somewhat larger YP4248 Subclade Project. For this reason, STRs are unreliable for phylogeny. Nevertheless, the study can help direct us toward those kits that could provide the greatest impact on the project for Big Y upgrades.

The color version results from replacing the numeric values with color values. This doesn't tell us much for small groups but can be informative for groups of ten and more.

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Color Version

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