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R1b-A5388 Y-DNA Project

(R1b-A5388)
Michael Cooley

R1b-A5388 is a subclade in the Cenél nEógain Y-DNA Project. Per the Wikipedia article, Branches of the Cenél nEógain , "Cenél nEógain or Kinel-Owen ('Kindred of Owen') are a branch of the Northern Uí Néill, who claim descent from Eógan mac Néill, son of Niall of the Nine Hostages." Jim Wilson and I are co-administrators of the Cenél nEógain Y-DNA Project and are tasked to manage and report on the A5388 group. Questions may be addressed to either or both of us.


Genealogy - Genetic Hybrid Tree


Big Y Haplo Table


The following table is simply a bare summary of the results and can be copied and pasted into a spreadsheet. This is helpful for keeping track of larger projects. With the exception of those indicated by an asterisk, the novel SNPs (novel variants) can be tested at YSEQ.net for $18 each and a one-time kit fee of $6 for the first order.


 30 May 2024
KITTREEMRCATESTNOVEL VARIANTS
#B177041A5388>A5386>FT213315>BY104953John Turner (1803-1878)Y-700FT303680
#N119097A5388>A5386>FT213315>BY65624Andrew Hayslett (-1805)Y-700FT211621
#B116020A5388>A5386>FT213315>BY65624Samuel William Moore (1850-1905)Y-700--
#N8220A5388>A5386>FT213315>BY65624William Hazlet (c1740-)Y-700BY109328 BY110339 BY116213
#1004866A5388>A5386>FT213315>FGC57178Charles Mark Parten (1815-)Y-700FTC7489 MF258591 FTE93508 FTE93625 FTE93761 FTE93810 FTE93848 FTE93917
#IN93193A5388>A5386>FT52304James Seaton (1796-1853)Y-700FTC96552 19358211=CT FTC97264 FTC96066 FTD2105 FTD2285 FTD2651
#214886A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883Robert O'NeillY-700BY18229
#400441A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883>BY91591Andrew Neal (1787-1866)Y-700BY18202 Y51373 Y51336
#908382A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883>BY91591Elijah Johnson (1811-1889)Y-700FTC70414 FTC70415 FTC70416
#921210A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>A9883>BY91591Hugh Neel (c1750-)Y-700FT230808 FT230259 FT230211 FT230837
#IN88911A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536Charles Wilson (1785+)Y-111FTC82425 FTC82483 FTC82629 FTC82344
#524028A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536Unknown 1Y-700FTE67959 FTE70278 FTE67158
#307767A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491James Wilson (1740-1789)Y-700FTD15506 FTD16423 FTD16632 FTD19525
#42029A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491James Wilson (1772-)Y-700BY104783 FT157958 FT158246
#70755A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491James Wilson Sr (-1789)Y-700BY140790 BY18206 BY18211
#1013776A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491Lawson Harvey Wilson (c1825-c1900)Y-700FTF73220 FTF71351
#792392A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>BY96491WilsonY-700FTD19311 FTD12698
#744248A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>Z19785James Wilson (-1789)Y-700--
#993066A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>Z19785James Wilson (-1795)Y-700FTD84680
#78346A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>Z19785James Wilson Jr (-1789)Y-700--
#913051A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY20536>Z19785Unknown 2Y-700FTB37804
#937024A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>BY78757UnknownY-700FTD9616 FTB78283 FTD11011 FTD11283 FTD9270
#MI53913A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248Herbert Gray (1889-1965)Y-700FT237429 FT238044 FT238049 FT238050 FT235430 FT236262
#197468A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248William J Gillmore (1825-1891)Y-700FTF72489 FTF73706 FTF74416 26626787=GA
#N117876A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166C Gilmer (1970-)Y-700BY101136
#896154A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166John Gilmore (1690-1749)Y-700--
#275331A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166William Gilmore (1785-1861)Y-700FTB29150 FTB31347 FT388169
#IN108750A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166>FT52889>FTB76260John Stuart Gilmour (c1885-c1917)Y-700--
#MI15094A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>BY57166>FT52889>FTB76260John Stuart Gilmour (c1885-c1917)Y-700FTB78880
#232911A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>FT393632>FT170672Walter Scott (1495-1552)Y-700FT170037 MF5317 FT170672
#191634A5388>A5386>FT52304>A5387>FT53248>FT393632>FTE89027Alexander Stinson (1702-1789)Y-700FTF4307
#482950A5388>FTC27704David William Williams (1856-)Y-700FTE54714 FTE54723 FTE54913 FTE55214 FTE55681 FTE54311 MF657258
#975153A5388>FTC27704Unknown 3Y-700M6943 FTC29438 FTC30182 FTC31541 FTC35459 FTC26787 FTC35767

      * SNP cannot undergo Sanger testing




Big Y SNP Tree


A SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) occurs when there's a genetic change at a single position, for example an A mutated to a C. Each marker listed in the tree below is a SNP, and each one was manifested at the birth of a single man. This doesn't happen every generation but, if we had enough data, they'd all line up one after the other in a timeline. In other words, each of these markers is a direct representative of a specific man born at a specific time and place. For that reason, I like to say that "SNPs are people too." It's not literally true, of course, but conjures an image that is reasonably apropos.

Micro-Lesson: What is a SNP?
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Every marker above is a direct genetic representation of the first man born with that marker. However, each marker could represent three or four more men not born with a new, unique marker.

Count the number of markers upstream of any one kit. Then multiply that by four generations. I'll leave it to you detemine how many years makes a generation. This can be done for all kits descended from any one haplogroup. Average the grand total to get an average timeline for the haplogroup. The word "average" is, however, the key. The more participants, the more that number will change.



Quick Tree


This is a simplified, barebones, stripped-down SNP Tree (as above). It's called a Quick Tree merely because it can be created once new results are downloaded. It has the advantage of allowing a tested group member to easily trace their SNP lineage.


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Timeline Report for Haplogroup A5388

A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT213315
BY104953
BY134836
FT303680
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT213315
BY65624
BY133978
FGC57178
FT211621
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT213315
BY65624
BY133978
FGC57178
--
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT213315
BY65624
BY133978
FGC57178
BY109328
BY110339
BY116213
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT213315
FGC57178
FTC7489
MF258591
FTE93508
FTE93625
FTE93761
FTE93810
FTE93848
FTE93917
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
FTC96552
19358211=CT
FTC97264
FTC96066
FTD2105
FTD2285
FTD2651
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
A9883
BY18229
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
A9883
BY91591
Y60045
BY18202
Y51373
Y51336
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
A9883
BY91591
Y60045
FTC70414
FTC70415
FTC70416
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
A9883
BY91591
Y60045
FT230808
FT230259
FT230211
FT230837
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
FTC82425
FTC82483
FTC82629
FTC82344
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
FTE67959
FTE70278
FTE67158
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
BY96491
BY42627
FTD15506
FTD16423
FTD16632
FTD19525
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
BY96491
BY42627
BY104783
FT157958
FT158246
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
BY96491
BY42627
BY140790
BY18206
BY18211
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
BY96491
BY42627
FTF73220
FTF71351
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
BY96491
BY42627
FTD19311
FTD12698
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
Z19785
--
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
Z19785
FTD84680
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
Z19785
--
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY20536
BY18219
BY43658
FT165129
FT165130
FT89403
Z19785
FTB37804
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
BY78757
BY123092
FTD9616
FTB78283
FTD11011
FTD11283
FTD9270
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
FT237429
FT238044
FT238049
FT238050
FT235430
FT236262
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
FTF72489
FTF73706
FTF74416
26626787=GA
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
BY57166
BY124944
BY146581
FT303165
FTB88200
BY101136
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
BY57166
BY124944
BY146581
FT303165
FTB88200
--
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
BY57166
BY124944
BY146581
FT303165
FTB88200
FTB29150
FTB31347
FT388169
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
BY57166
BY124944
BY146581
FT303165
FTB88200
FT52889
FT283968
FT52368
FT52993
FT54911
FTB76260
--
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
BY57166
BY124944
BY146581
FT303165
FTB88200
FT52889
FT283968
FT52368
FT52993
FT54911
FTB76260
FTB78880
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
FT393632
FT170672
FT170037
MF5317
FT170672
A5386
A5389
A5390
FT53375
FT53563
FT91554
FTB28678
Y30883
(FT230259)
FT52304
FT52594
FTB28823
A5387
FT53248
FT393632
FTE89027
FTE90734
FTE90819
FTE91596
FTF1326
FTF1485
FTF4307
FTC27704
FTC28488
FTC30667
FTE54714
FTE54723
FTE54913
FTE55214
FTE55681
FTE54311
MF657258
FTC27704
FTC28488
FTC30667
M6943
FTC29438
FTC30182
FTC31541
FTC35459
FTC26787
FTC35767
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Total SNPs: 649
Number Kits: 33
Avg SNPS per: 19.6666666666667
TMRCA: 16 BCE to 298 CE
Median: 141 CE



Y-111 Genetic Distance to Modal


STRs (Short Tandem Repeats) are the markers found on the results page of every FTDNA project. They're completely different from SNPs. For example, the number in the first column for the following markers, labeled DYS393, is merely the count of the number of times the sequence AGAT is repeated in the tester's cells. More about the markers can be found on the Wikipedia page for List of Y-STR markers.

The top line in this graphic, in gray, is the modal value. It represents the most common value found among each tester. The total number of mismatches any one tester has to the modal is noted in blue parenthesis next to the tester's kit number. This number is referred to as the genetic distance or GD. For example, a tester might be a GD of 1 from the modal's CDYb marker but with a total GD of 5 from the modal as a whole.


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Y-111 GD Kit to Kit

Here we compare the genetic distance between each tester rather than to the modal. This gives us a better idea as to how closely the testers are related to one another as opposed each to the modal, or mutual ancestor. The results tend to clump together by haplogroup. However, due to the volatile nature of STRs, the clumping is often inconsistent, as shown by the same graphics in the somewhat larger YP4248 Subclade Project. For this reason, STRs are unreliable for phylogeny. Nevertheless, the study can help direct us toward those kits that could provide the greatest impact on the project for Big Y upgrades.

The color version results from replacing the numeric values with color values. This doesn't tell us much for small groups but can be informative for groups of ten and more.


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Color Version


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